March 30, 2015 at 9:29 am #25698
We are always looking for customer feedback on new releases and future releases, in an effort to provide meaningful improvements to 2020 Design.
Please post here your ideas and suggestions you want to have in 2020 Design. We will use your posts to form our future Product Roadmap.
March 30, 2015 at 1:38 pm #25717
Wishlist: It would be great to be able to have V10 and V11 installed on the same machine for support and testing purposes.
March 18, 2020 at 4:34 pm #274625Jim KnowlesParticipant
First – I rather like the 2020 V12 edition. However, I have found myself spending a massive amount of unnecessary time accomplishing relatively simple tasks that I’ve been able to do fairly easily in other more rudimentary kitchen design software programs. Some of the limitations are a bit astounding and very frustrating.
1. Moldings on walls which are different heights on two ends. For example, cannot show crown molding on a wall which is 120″ on left side, and 96″ on the other side. Crown and other moldings will only appear in a straight line at one up/down value above the floor.
2. Ability to edit trim, general shapes and lines in the elevation view. Can currently create a running line in an elevation, but cannot make it 3D, as would be expected for #1.
3. Calculations within a dimensions field – for a length (or width, or height, or depth, or up/down, in/out value) being able to type ” 36+25.5+3″ in the field and it calculate/populate the box with 64.5. This is possible and quite handy in Photoshop, InDesign, etc.
4. Please fix crashes while making changes while rendering window is open. Modifying or editing trims, countertops, walls, particularly the L/W/H/D of these items causes unexpected crashes.
5. Ability to select which walls will appear in a floorplan view when creating document layout, or ability to turn specific walls on or off (like other items) in the various floorplan display tabs. Case here is when laying out a kitchen and then trying to add walls around it for perspective/flooring/windows/etc. to make it look real. Those walls and added items are not needed for creating dimensioned floor plan documents.
6. Ability to select individual items to turn on or off in the rendering view.
7. Ability to save lighting presets, and low/medium/high render quality. Lighting presets in all of the rendering views appear unnaturally dark. Cannot save or re-load an “exposure” value, or type a specific decimal number in this field. Cannot save presets for ambient light levels, auto lighting, etc. Cannot adjust height or general placement/frequency of auto lighting. Without spending hours to create manual lighting/light sources, it is virtually impossible to have upper cabinets, which have auto lighting, show up in the same color family as base cabinets, without hours of work.
8. Ability to set contrast settings (white point, black point, shadows highlight/lowlight) in the rendering view. All white colors look unnecessarily dim and essentially a dark gray from the start. Under “auto” lighting, a bright white should appear as a bright white in a commonly lit room. The starting point in the rendering feels like a dark room in the back of a night club. Colors selected in any of the texture items for attributes appear 10+ shades darker in the rendering, but even with exposure and standard tweaking (before hours of adding custom lighting sources), items are either “flashed” out, very dark, or the color family is changed based on the lighting color temperature. It does not need to be that difficult.
9. When will export to .dxf and .dwg be added for 64bit version? Cannot modify / create fully custom cabinets or anything else for that matter if the import/export does not work.
10. Countertop wizard. Ability to add a custom overhang to a cabinet or edge, in the same way that appliance or finished edges are added. Ability to create custom-shaped tops using the same catalogs available in the countertop wizard. Difficult to create an oddly-shaped top with complex radiuses, etc. but very easy to do if you make one from scratch. Except that the countertop catalogs and textures are not available.
March 18, 2020 at 4:51 pm #274637Jim KnowlesParticipant
Crown Molding on walls with different heights. See the picture. Crown & base moldings are a huge part of our more upscale designs. Cannot show this customer what their new kitchen will look like against their 8″ crown molding at the ceiling.
January 12, 2021 at 1:05 pm #313278Kelly SmithParticipant
I would love tools that make it easy to create NKBA standard drawings, including layouts that function with 11×17 paper, the ability to create your own title block, proper centerline dimensions & etc (study the guidelines and make it easy). You guys are supposed to be the best. You are fine for pricing & rendering, but not for install drawings. I have purchased another software (CA) for my install drawings in NKBA standards as 2020 doesn’t make it easy. We are WAY more efficient with it – even having to input the design twice!!! Many of my manufacturers have 3rd party pricing software that I am forced to use anyway. What will be the point of 2020 if I have to price there and do my NKBA install drawings in another program? You guys need to catch up. You have been doing good for years, but you have new GOOD competition. Don’t rest on your laurels.
January 12, 2021 at 2:45 pm #313298
I 100% agree Kelly. 2020 needs to catch up in the standard drawing area. I find it very annoying how the dimensions are so messy. I will add my own only to have those deleted. Multiple lines of the same dimension, dimensions on top of dimensions. Very messy and time consuming. Labels should not be on top of each other and having the ability to align them all at once would be nice. One at a time to move dimensions and labels takes way to long.
What program did you purchase? I might check it out for now.
February 10, 2021 at 9:09 am #316157Dan GreveParticipant
New user here -if there’s a way to do this – would love to hear it…
But, is there any chance of uncoupling an Items label background color from the Item? It would be nice to have transparent backgrounds on labels.
April 1, 2015 at 1:43 am #25829
The ability to store custom textures for use with other designs
The ability to save the custom textures to share with other 20-20 Design users
A wizard to allow the setting of cabinets heights and styles on starting a new drawing
A fix for the damn wall issues that have plagued me since I started using 6.4
Example of what I mean is here:
I hate it when we get these odd bevels and joins in the wall instead of a simple butt joint.
November 11, 2019 at 11:04 am #259174
I am not aware of such article and there is no additional work done on V12 related to VR unfortunately.
Today we can share the links to the created 360 Panos. What type of additional sharing are you looking for?
December 2, 2019 at 10:14 am #261001
patience, still have questions.
Sometimes the ceiling shows correct, sometimes not.
The L shape wall group is not attached to the ceiling.
April 1, 2015 at 1:53 am #25830
Newer oven, steam, combi oven, cooktop shapes in the COMMON file so that Catalogue Tools users can improve the appearance of their catalogues.
Custom door/drawer design tool (can charge for this as an additional tool)
DXF/SKP importer for Catalogue Tools to enable us to bring in additional shapes
Splashback Designer that allows placing of holes and cutours with output to DXF (can charge for this as an additional tool)
Benchtop Designer that allows placing of holes, overmount and undermount cutouts with output to DXF (can charge for this as an additional tool)
I work with several manufacturers that have their own CNC equipment for stone and glass cutting (including CNC waterjets) and the ability to have a suitably formatted DXF file with different types of cutouts on different layers would allow us to manufacture directly from the 20-20 Design drawings.
These manufacturers are happy to spend money on additional software tools to do the above. You are almost there (I have exported DXF benchtops and splashbacks but they do not have enough info or shape control) so a little more work would see this available.
November 10, 2019 at 10:04 am #259166
!st let me say, it’s a pain using 2 programs to do this. You can draw the room in Sketch Up and import it. Then use construction lines for placement and elevations.
November 11, 2019 at 11:21 am #259177
Thanks for the feedback. Can you clarify why you need 2 different programs? Why do you need to draw a room in Sketchup? This can be done in 2020 Design. Are there missing functionalities in 2020 Design that forces you to use Sketchup?
May 3, 2015 at 3:23 pm #27395
Wishlist: It would be handy in Attributes if the Add-on tab displayed all of the add-ons and simply greyed out those that were not available. (So Add-on Excludes would be visible, but not selectable)
November 10, 2019 at 10:13 am #259167
!st let me say, it’s a pain using 2 programs to do this. To avoid odd bevels and joins in the wall, you can draw the room in Sketch Up and import it. Then use construction lines for placement and elevations.
November 11, 2019 at 11:24 am #259178
Hello Kevin, thank you for the feedback. We are taking note. We are also improving our Cloud Solution and we feed the selection of Add-ons will be a lot more intuitive.
November 16, 2019 at 10:27 am #259774
Someone else mentioned this, I have had the same issues in the past. When you add a wall you get a triangle void at the intersection of three walls. Try it on a 270 corner, trying adding a 40″ pony wall. The only way I have found to avoid it is placing pony wall without snapping and leaving a small gap.
May 20, 2015 at 3:49 pm #27892Robert LeBeauPilot Pro
One thing id like to see is have the capability to add notes to individual cabinets from the attribute light window. alot of times when im designing and engineering something might pop into my head as im working on something that i need to remember or modify on a cabinet and instead of having to go in to the attributes and then go to notes and write it out…if u could jus click on the item (attributes lite is already open ) and type away it would save time and also not mess up the flow ur in..tbh i think the attributes lite window has alot of time saving potential in general that people have yet to even start to trying to exploit..
June 4, 2015 at 12:47 am #30907
Something I have been asked about by a number of cabbies is the provision of an accurate cutlist WITH edging information even if this was via a 3rd partysoftware company.
There are many small cabbies (200 within a 50 mile radius of me!) who still use Cutlists or have just one (cheap) CNC such as a Multicam so a simple, relatively inexpensive Cutlist and GCode option would increase your sales dramatically. I am still waiting for costs but I suspect the Insight route is just too expensive for smaller manufacturers especially considering that you can buy a competing package that goes from Design to Nested GCode from $3,000 to $10,000.
July 8, 2015 at 5:27 pm #38524
<p class=”MsoNormal”>I UNDERSTAND THAT 2020 WAS WRITTEN WITH ONE DESIGNER WORKING ON ONE COMPUTER – BUT CAN YOU MAKE CHANGES FOR THOSE WHO PUT OUR DESIGNS ON THE SERVER SO MANY PEOPLE CAN USE? 1<sup>ST</sup> PROBLEM is working on a design on different computer than it was created causes crashes. 2<sup>nd</sup> PROBLEM is when one designer has the design open, there is no way to prevent another designer from opening the same design, making changes, and then saving them over the other’s changes. We have one person who does the renderings for all of the designers in our store and this can be a huge problem. 3<sup>rd</sup> PROBLEM is that the ‘automatic save every 5 minutes’ does NOT work! We have crashed many, many times and what we’ve been designing has NEVER been restored to a saved point that was created by ‘automatic save’.</p>
July 8, 2015 at 5:30 pm #38525
<p class=”MsoNormal”>When changing materials on cabinets, the formula that is supposed to change all of the moldings and other finishes once you put what you want in the first one or two spots never works! It is a hassle to have to change each one, one at a time.</p>
<p class=”MsoNormal”> When changing materials on cabinets, the finish color is supposed to show in the “preview” rectangle, and it turns black instead.</p>
<p class=”MsoNormal”>Instead of adding the finish selection in ‘Styles and Pricing’, I have to use Global Attributes and change the catalogs from there because I have found finishes that more accurately represent the desired finish on my own than 2020 or the Koch catalog designer has picked. I wish we could put the “V29135” (Birch Nutmeg) finish (just as an example) in there instead of Koch’s V50135 (Also Birch Nutmeg) – but the 2020 one is better.</p>
July 8, 2015 at 5:32 pm #38528
<p class=”MsoNormal”>When the light comes in a window and shines on the cabinets right next to it, it makes the cabinets all spotty. I turn the light off each window, add a background, and even add blinds and it is still too spotty. Even when I render on Texture; high quality.</p>
<p class=”MsoNormal”> Metals: Also the stainless steel option for appliances is very spotty when rendered. So are most of the metals. Can this be fixed?</p>
July 8, 2015 at 5:35 pm #38531
<span style=”font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: ‘Calibri’,sans-serif; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: ‘Times New Roman’; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;”>Why can’t I do a finished ‘refreshed rendering’ of a picture in texture with edges mode? I used to use this in V9 to show raised panel details. If the raised panels showed with Texture/Color, that would be awesome! I wouldn’t have to use this feature if the detail of the panel on a raised panel would show up. (It comes in fuzzy, dark and even black – on wainscot panels, too.) It must be 2020 glitch as it happens for Koch catalog AND the Dura catalog that we use. </span>
October 31, 2015 at 9:20 am #56576AnonymousInactive
I have found a workaround that I have been using to tone down that light coming through the windows. I go into the window attributes, change the glass to charcoal, then lower the ambient lighting to reduce the overall light coming through the window. You will need to add recessed lighting to light your design and I also use up-lighting to even out the ceiling light.
July 8, 2015 at 5:36 pm #38532
<span style=”font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: ‘Calibri’,sans-serif; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: ‘Times New Roman’; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;”>How can I change the ‘SCENE’ lighting to adjust for wall cabinets of different depths? They are set pretty good for 12” deep wall cabinets, but when they are turned on and I have a deeper cab, like a 24” deep hood – the lights wash it out! </span>
July 8, 2015 at 5:38 pm #38537
<p class=”MsoNormal”>Sometimes items disappear. For instance, when I move a cabinet out of the way using the Placement tool, it will move over. But when I move it back, sometimes it disappears instead. Sometimes I have to move an island out of the layout so I can get a better rendering of a cabinet wall, so I just move it out 200”, then move it back when I am done instead of deleting it and risk the chance of forgetting to put the island back in. What could cause it to disappear?</p>
July 8, 2015 at 5:42 pm #38538
I’m not sure if this is a 2020 problem or a catalog problem, but when I choose a 30/70 door and want the top section to have glass, it won’t show it. I go into ‘Add ons’, and check “China Door-Prep for Upper W Glass” and it won’t remove the panel. If I check “Door-Prep for Wall Glass, it removes both panels so I can’t get it to show correctly for the customer.
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September 10, 2015 at 7:38 pm #48492
I would like to be able to lock the walls down. It gets ridiculous when you grab a wall and it moves everything and then will not “CTRL Z” back. A lock mode would enable you to stretch move and do whatever you want without having the effect it currently does when trying to move walls. The way that is suggested to manipulate walls seems limited. Just a thought
October 7, 2015 at 10:20 pm #52535
The REPLACE function in Design is certainly handy to be able to swap out one cabinet for a completely different cabinet. However it can also be dangerous as the Add-ons from the ‘old’ cabinet carry over to the new cabinet regardless of the add-on relation. For example, If you have a 3DB18 and add a cutlery tray, then use the Replace function to switch the cabinet into BFD15 the cutlery tray stays even though there is no drawer.
We recently had an issue where a cabinet with an implicit add-on was ‘replaced’ with another cabinet with the same implicit add-on. The end result was 2 Lazy Susans ordered for one cabinet (and we couldn’t deleted it).
I would love to see it where if there was an add-on present, the Replace function would pop-up a window allowing the user to confirm and cancel any add-ons.
October 22, 2015 at 12:47 pm #55419Jordyn PPilot Pro
It would be great to have the ROOM catalogs updated. There are often door/window items that I can’t recreate, such as a 3 door patio slider or a double entry door with one side lite to name a couple, and I tend to need these more and more as time goes on.
It would also be nice to be able to edit all available ROOM catalog items in any way, to give more customization. For instance, I might have a 59″ space for an alcove tub, but since I have no way to edit bath.alc.60, I have to find a different alternative, which is usually less attractive in the rendering.
Is there any possibility of being able to incorporate multiple levels without increasing the height of all of the walls and using the up/down feature to set items in place?
Finally, I’d love to see more options for the stairs. Maybe adding a feature that would allow you to choose how high up the railings go on the stairs, adding more railing post options, diagonal handrails that we can add to the walls, etc.
November 25, 2015 at 2:01 pm #62641Michael FaragoPilot Pro
I would love to see a some of the core functionality optimized. We have 50+ users that use the drawing layout function and in V11, the named views are not functioning. We’re losing drawings and a lot of time trying to band-aid the problems.
Also if you turn off a placement zone, can the overall dimensions stay turned on when you have the overall dimensions turned on with the auto dimensions?
Finally, in 11.3 i can’t properly close a running line. Can you add an auto close feature to running lines? Such as I’ve drawn 9 sides of a 10 sided polygon, and if I select the close line feature it would connect my last point with my first point and end the drawing function?
November 25, 2015 at 4:11 pm #62646
It would be GREAT!!! if we had more CAD functions as to make the paper space look more Professional. Having the option to show door swings on doors as well as cabinets with dotted lines that you can change the color on would be fine. Having “CL” icon for center line not be so touchy and actually stay where you want to put it would be nice. The wall ID on the floor plan shows through on the renders as well. I would also like it you could print the whole paper space as one file and not have to print each file to PDF then put into one PDF. If there is a way to do this , Please let me know. I would also love to see a “lock walls” option so if you move one wall it doesn’t move all the walls. I know you can go into an individual wall and modify wall but it sometimes still doesn’t do it. If you could also make it so when you make a “Poly line ” into a 3D object like a beam you could edit in an elevation view allowing the beam to follow the vault you created. These are just a few things that would help. Love the program besides the constant freezing….
December 9, 2015 at 3:10 pm #64196
Thanks, Chuck, for your help! I am not sure where you are changing the ambient light, maybe in rendering? I usually turn the light totally off in the Window’s light properties. I still have to play with each layout separately, noting their number of windows, walls, etc. that change the lighting.
December 9, 2015 at 3:13 pm #64199
It would improve our final renderings of our customer’s designs if 2020 had lighting catalogs so we could add up to date, better lighting in our designs. The selection in the Room Catalogs is pretty bad. Until they offer light catalogs – does anyone else have an idea of what I could use? Thanks!
December 9, 2015 at 3:38 pm #64202
Jordyn, I agree with your suggestions and hope 2020 is listening! All of the Room Catalogs need updating with more current items offered. They also need to give us more freedom to edit or recreate items our customers want. PLEASE update the stairs, post & corbel options; flooring; countertops; backsplashes; bath fixtures; faucets; decoration items for kitchen and baths and add great lighting options or offer a catalog to install from a lighting company. If someone on 2020 could spend the time to create 10 really cool cars and garage equipment (which are items we seldom use), then why can’t they make cool coffee pots, small appliances, soap dishes for baths, curtains, current art options for pictures; background scenery for windows that looks realistic, etc. that the ‘kitchen and bath’ designers use regularly? Thanks for listening!
December 9, 2015 at 6:26 pm #64205
You can use SketchUp and get all the models you need the higher the Poly-line count the better the render will turn out on that item. As far as the counter-top you can map any material to them giving you limitless possibilities. Other than the edge profile which you are limited on. To do a realistic window scene go to the outside of the wall in say a 3 window run and use your SURFACE tool to draw a rectangle across all the windows which will result in a more realistic scene spanning across all the windows.
December 9, 2015 at 6:46 pm #64206
Sounds like all good ideas – however – I haven’t had luck importing SketchUp items. Either I can’t find something I want (like a pendant light) or something goes wrong importing it. I haven’t tried in a while so don’t remember my specific problems. I would LOVE to be able to bring in lighting and window treatments from Sketch Up! Where can I look for instructions on using this with 2020?
I always use Custom Material Wizard to make the counter top match the customer’s selection, but when I do this for patterned back splash tiles or flooring, they never come out just right – even using ‘seamless’ textures. Is that what you meant by ‘mapping’ them? Is there somewhere we can find detailed instructions for using all of the features of that WIZARD to customize textures? Such as – how to pick the correct size when asked? And how to use the tools inside the WIZARD program to get the best image?
For the windows, help me understand you exactly – I view the outside of the wall, add a surface rectangle and then use Wizard to import a photograph of an actual scene? Or use the City or other backgrounds provided in 2020? (I really don’t care for the ones in the catalogs.) I have also had trouble with the SURFACE tool when I use it for back splash that has to go around windows and objects. I will draw my shape, then go back to look at it through the camera and if I need to edit it, I can edit it, but then the surface disappears. Frustrating. I appreciate your getting back to me so quickly and hope you can point me toward a place to get detailed directions for using these features. Lori
December 9, 2015 at 8:08 pm #64209
Email me and I can send you my number I’ll walk you through it no problem. firstname.lastname@example.org What version are you using? I use 220.127.116.11. SketchUp is super easy to use. The problem is with the latest updates the import function gets corrupted on the 2015 model. The work around is simple select an older version. Click on the object >> select version 2014 or 2013 and it should import fine. There are a ton of junk models that were simply created incorrectly. I would also stay away from heavy files (ie large MB) 20/20 doesn’t handle them too well.
To do a back-splash can be a big pain in the a$$. I use a full version of SketchUp and create them mostly. You can also try and find from the manufactures of the tiles the tile you need and make a 18″ x 18″ block and map it out with the SURFACE tool in 18″ segments, it works pretty nice. You can use a simple picture editor to make the 18″ block. I does work it just takes time.
Windows and scenes take a time as well. When I go to my clients house I take pictures with my HD phone out each and every window in the room( I also take a 360 degree pic of the whole space for reference) . I then do the math to shrink or expand the picture in a Photo Editor so I can then cut it into sections or leave it whole to span it across the windows. I do this by using the SURFACE tool instead of putting the pic in the window. I think it looks better.
The SURFACE tool does disappear a lot, it is glitchy… I just redraw a lot.
January 23, 2016 at 11:18 pm #70928Rindi DanielParticipant
Using newest 11.3. I feel comfortable with the new rendering tool, but I am not a fan of the the placement of the new camera. I like the camera placement option so much better in earlier versions where you could just set the camera and its view by scrolling through right clicking the mouse.
-More corbels and just general room catalogs in all decor updated—especially appliances..:) Nice to have a front load with a modifiable pedastal
-better generic appliances
-saving textures that you can use on all designs and truly be a user-defined texture to be used on other designs without having to re-use the wizard
-add barnwood flooring options-not enough color selections
-modifiable or larger selection of room tiles-alot of clients are going with a variable size floor tile or rectangular tiles and not your average 4×4/12×12 etc tile. Nice to have catalog of more current backsplash textures
-when writing notes, be able to adjust display settings / font size/ etc all at the same time in the window
-application and selections of room crown
-larger selection of window trim and sizes (My clients typically use RB3 case molding which is 3.473″ wide and they sometimes use trim up to 5 1/2″. It would be nice if the width of the molding would visually modify and not just allow you to change the width in the variable and it not actual change the visual. Doors as well
-easier application of base molding to room as well as a shoe molding or quarter round. perhaps an auto design of these areas like when you set c-tops and toekicks and trim, but he capability to stack them as well. Then be able to delete or modify areas that you want to just like you do other trims. Even if it would place room crown and you could manually lower it would be fine.
-Thank you so much for your attention. It truly means alot that our thoughts do not go unnoticed.
October 25, 2017 at 12:54 pm #155796Karlie RouzerParticipant
I feel like I have thought of so many things but now I cant think of any lol!
One thing that comes to mind is in the attributes box – add-ons tab – ROOM_PLU_1 catalog… if I am switching from one sink to another as soon as I uncheck one the whole menu collapses! It would be so nice if it didnt automatically collapse.
October 29, 2017 at 11:43 pm #157606
Probably mentioned before but:
When running the Panoramic 360 Dialogue, a subset of the Design Information screen comes up. It would be nice if we could have the Dealer/Designer section of the Design Information screen stored and for this info to populate the form every time the form comes up.
October 31, 2017 at 8:26 pm #157793
The addition of standard plumbing, electrical and other symbols that show distance to centre on plans and elevations. The FloorPlanCode ought to show on every symbol.
I appreciate that some symbols are in the ROOM catalogue already but most don’t allow the selection of the centre measurement nor do they show the FPC which would be very handy.
We would love to be able to use the elevations to plan our Glass Splashbacks and this would help so much.
November 3, 2017 at 9:27 am #158392
November 3, 2017 at 3:58 pm #158420
the snap distance option does exist, what I would like is to be able to set a DEFAULT snap distance for Elevations. I frequently have multiple elevations open and they should all, I think, open to whatever snap distance I prefer. Closing an elevation and then re-opening it means I have to set the snap distance again.
I do NOT think that the work area and elevation snap distance should use the same preference, but I would like to have an elevation snap distance preference that would be static.
Maybe it is there and I just haven’t found it.
November 3, 2017 at 5:57 pm #158434
You can create an Elevation Scheme that contains your desired “area snap”. From “Display Tabs Schemes” in Preferences, you can then select your newly created scheme as the default for all your Elevations.
Hope this helps!
November 5, 2017 at 7:29 pm #158436
Whereas what Santiago says is correct, if you aren’t familiar with Display Schemes then it might be a bit of a learning experience. The simple way to have a specific default Elevation snap is as follows (I would start with a new drawing and WARNING, this will change your default Display Scheme for all future drawings):
1) Place a single wall and a single cabinet on that wall then create your elevation.
2) Right click in that Elevation and choose ‘Display Settings’
3) Make a note of the name in the ‘Scheme’ box – in my case it is 2020 (metric) Elevation
4) Go to the Work Area tab of the Display Settings and enter your preferred snap distance in. Note that as soon as you do this, the Scheme box will turn blank.
5) Change any other settings for the display scheme that you want set as a default. This might include the font size and type used to label the cabinets etc.
6) Click ‘Save As’ and scroll down until you see the name you made a note of in 3) then click on that name (a tick should appear) then click ‘Save’
7) Click ‘OK’
Your changes have now been saved and will apply to all NEW drawings. To apply them to older drawings, open the drawing and elevation, click on the Scheme down arrow and (even if the elevation scheme name is already showing) click on the name as in 3) above. Now click apply and your preferred Elevation scheme will be applied to that elevation. Repeat for all the elevations.
If you would prefer not to change this scheme then at 6) type in whatever name you want, click Save and then go to Preferences/Display Tabs Scheme/Elevation and from the drop down arrow, pick the new name you entered and click OK then OK out of the Preferences.
IMHO, the 2020 Display Schemes are super powerful and useful and I would recommend playing about with them. You can have as many schemes as you want and apply them to differing drawings and elevations. We use this feature along with altering the tabs at the bottom to give our installers customised installation work sheets – for example, our floor plans AND Elevations are actually broken up into ‘Floor (all)’, ‘Floor and Tall’, ‘Wall and Tall’ etc.
Before you start the above, I’d recommend taking a back up of the existing Schemes before you customise them. The easy way to do this is with my free little 2020 Settings backup script – get it here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jbwkpx6h2ptp2rk/V112020SettingsSaver.zip?dl=0
Unpack to the desktop then double click on the V112020SettingsSaver.cmd icon. Follow the instructions for the backup option and this will create a directory on the desktop called 2020RESCUE with the display schemes and other data in it.
If you think the scheme instructions would be easier to follow in a video file, I’d be happy to create one.
November 6, 2017 at 7:55 pm #158860PaulineParticipant
I would really like a J mould door profile with adjustments to be available for the DPLUSM01 catalogue. I have lots of clients wanting finger pull opening doors and drawers and nothing is really available currently.
An updated handle selection would also be great and more choices for left and right hand sinks.
November 6, 2017 at 11:19 pm #158879
C & J Sections are certainly possible – see attached image. We also used to have a couple of door styles that would show as banked rather than individual but I think that was a custom modification for us by 2020 a decade back and we no longer have it.
Both options would be very desirable.
A Sharknose profile (fingerpull) would also be good although shortening the door and having a visible divider behind the gap would be adequate.
November 27, 2017 at 1:58 pm #161694
Hello I wanted to request the ability to change the numbering in the legend tab. In the legend tab all of the cabinets get a number, on the side of the floorplan there is an unchangeable note box with a list of all the numbered items in order of their number. I would like to be able to go into the note box and change the order and number of each cabinet to mach the numbering on my order form.
November 28, 2017 at 2:50 pm #162084
Hello Chris B,
We can definitely look into it. What is the issue you would like to resolve? Is it affecting the rendering performance? Also, can you confirm which version of Design you are using? Is is post V11.7 which has its high quality rendering done in the background?.
November 28, 2017 at 3:12 pm #162091
I am currently using 18.104.22.168. Yes when design auto-saves it pauses the rendering module and sometimes crashes. Although I think the crash is related to a different issue.
I do not use the stand-alone rendering program because it does not seem to find views I save in the rendering module.
August 22, 2018 at 11:54 am #201059
A. I would like to select which catalogs will appear in my printed quotes. It is very frustrating to click “save paper”, then have 14 pages printed list (1) everything from the Decorative Catalog, (2) everything from every appliance catalog used, (3) all the under cabinet lighting, and so forth.
Yes, I can select page numbers, but even that takes time.
B. Why does there have to be a final tally page? If “paper saving” is checked, why put this on a separate page.
October 19, 2018 at 1:35 pm #209459
Please, please, please give us control over the numbering system.
2 months ago, I had to make some changes to an order after I’d placed it with my cabinet vendor. Making those changes in 2020 caused the program to renumber the legend and the order forms, so it was nearly impossible to cross reference everything.
I spent a full day highlighting, cross checking, and sweating bullets. I thought I got it right.
I didn’t. I missed a finished side and an end panel. Now that the cabinets have arrived, I have a hot mess I have to figure out, and a cranky customer, and an annoyed contractor, and I look like a bumbler. I don’t enjoy looking like a bumbler.
So please, allow us to control the numbering.
November 8, 2018 at 10:04 pm #214938Pete FaberParticipant
Can I import the old ROOM FUR and other catalogs from an older version to my new 20/20 so I do not have to use the Cloud? In the Cloud there are not any wood stoves or fireplaces with wood mantles. I sell alternative heating products and use 20/20 to show the new heating appliance or fireplace as they would look in the customer’s room
November 8, 2018 at 10:22 pm #214939
You certainly can install the older catalogues into the latest version – I’ve done that for most of my Designers. I mainly use (being Metric) ROOM_FUM, ROM_DEM and a modified ROOM_M – all of these came from the V9 days.
- This reply was modified 2 years, 3 months ago by Mike Langensiepen.
January 7, 2019 at 3:23 pm #222768
A potential time saver, especially on baths: Allowing us to group surface areas, similar to cascading tile sheets. If a client wants to see a different tile, I can change “tile 1” and each of the surface areas using that pattern will change.
January 7, 2019 at 4:51 pm #222769
Thank you for your input. You can currently move all the docked windows controls onto a separate screen. Moreover, you can also move all the perspective windows. What additional controls would you like to move as well?
I took down your request for the grouping of surfaces.
January 8, 2019 at 12:19 am #222780
Renderings would look better if the light properties for windows and doors could be adjusted, dimmed or turned on/off. And the scene lighting needs some help. This setting should adjust the brightness of the room instead of it looking like there are a bunch of recessed ceiling lights that are too close to the cabinets and the top of the wall cabinets are shaded. Your door styles could use some updating, most of them are not even usable. Same goes for your hardware. While your at it group them better, all slab then all raised- square/arch/ then recessed and so on. Group all handles, then all knobs. Some better backgrounds for windows would be nice, pool decks, backyards, beach, lakes etc. Same for the doors, living rooms, dining rooms, hallways etc..
I recently purchased a 34″ wide monitor and it would be great if there was an option for the work area, floor plans & elevations to be divided vertically
Also a predetermined wall option like the closed square but with cathedral ceilings would be nice. Even better would be a way to import the floor plans into 2020 right from the blueprints.
January 8, 2019 at 12:52 am #222781
34″! 4K resolution I hope – I’m jealous.
Good points although I must admit that I would rather be able to detach the elevation window and move it around – preferably (as others have mentioned) onto a different screen.
I agree with the lighting comments – this often takes longer to get good results than I would prefer. Similarly, most of the standard stuff like knobs/handles and door styles (not to mention the default appliances) could definitely be updated. We often use patterned drawers in both banked (pattern through the whole set of drawers) or individual (pattern per drawer) formats and this would be superb.
Still, development is ongoing so hopefully if enough people ask…
January 10, 2019 at 2:09 am #223179
One that I would dearly love to see
New (from template) so that we can save some configs as .tpl files and then not have to set everything up from scratch each time.
Also that the installation automatically assigns .tpl to 2020 Design rather than having to do it manually.
January 17, 2019 at 5:24 pm #224367
Yes – I ended up creating a jpeg sheet of photos of my fave pulls and knobs with their numbers, so I didn’t have to scroll endlessly! LOL! And I definiately use my own scenery…agree!
FINGER PULLS for doors and drawers – something that appears on the LIP of the door or drawer would be great!
As to the light coming in from windows and doors, you can turn it off by going to the window/door’s Light Properties and changing the colour of the light to black.
Sometimes I’ve added a little ambient light coming through the window by turning off the light, then placing a couple of pucks behind the window pointed in – but that’s a pain – and you have to be careful you don’t get a proximity glare on your Scenery Panel/Background.
February 1, 2019 at 9:36 am #225784
Thank you for the Elevation undocking suggestion. Would moving the whole elevation pane (containing all active elevations) be sufficient? Or would you require the capability to move every elevations independently?
February 4, 2019 at 6:39 pm #225932
For myself, having the pane on a separate screen would be OK. Most of my users have 3 monitors so have a full floor plan on one screen, elevations on another and leaving the last screen for Outlook etc would be fine. No need to split off individual elevations.
February 4, 2019 at 7:16 pm #225933
Having the elevations on separate screen would be a great feature IMO. Having the elevations work with a layout open at the same time would be even better.
Some other wishes…..
1. Better way to add And format text across all elevations and floor plan.
2. Better renderings. This has already been discussed but something has to be done here ASAP. This worked better in V9. Builders and Installers need clear B&W renderings not photoshop. No way of doing it in V11 that I’ve seen so far
3. The ability to group and price rooms separately on same drawing. If separate catalogs are needed then there needs to be a way to rename a room and not be separated by catalog.
4. Favorites section for things that are used all the time, especially annotations/notes. A way to drag a simple note like “1 ” filler”
5. Update all the outdated fixtures, sinks, hardware, windows, doors etc.
6. Rendering performance improvement- Lighting that looks natural, white cabinets that actually look white.
7. Huge wish list item. If at all possible, having a way to set up settings to print all elevation, front views, Layout etc with one or two clicks as a package.
February 12, 2019 at 8:04 pm #226830
1. I don’t find this a massive problem but I agree that it would be nice if Notes could be part of the display schema settings in the same way as other items – it’s listed there but each tab seems to have it’s own ‘notes’ layer. I can understand that this is an advantage if you want different notes on the countertop tab compare to all but maybe have Notes (All), Notes (No Dims) etc so you can choose what shows and where.
2. Never had a problem with builders – they get plans and elevations and hidden line renders. I do agree however, that the render engine could be speeded up – there is little render speed difference between a PC with a basic graphics card and a PC of the same spec but with high end graphics card.
3. This would be nice but would be very memory intensive. Perhaps when the 64 bit version comes along, this can be considered.
4. Favourites everywhere would be nice but you can already have standard notes etc stored and selectable quickly. Worst case, keep an open word/wordpad document elsewhere with all the notes you want readily available for copy/paste. See picture.
5. 100%!!! If they updated the shapes in the COMMON catalogue, this would be a very worthwhile change that could apply to everyone easily! Also whereas the cloud is good, it’s too slow for many users who design lots of kitchens and have limited time to spend on each design.
6. Yes, very true. Perhaps a new Lighting Wizard would help as well as render engine ‘tweaking’
7. Never had a problem with this so not sure what the issue is. The only thing I would like is to be able to select the floorplan section BEFORE the elevations. Currently we have to print the floorplan section on its own to PDF, then we print the elevations and have to add it to the back of the PDF and then we can print all of these together (in actual fact, we usually just send the PDF to the trades etc). See picture.
February 12, 2019 at 10:13 pm #226849
I should have been a little clearer on a few of these.
Favorites- This is not just “notes” but say appliances you have tweaked, plumbing fixtures, lights – anything used all the time.
Renderings- just need the ability to clean them up like V9 so they don’t look like something made in an etch a sketch
Priting Packages- Say you could set the order and what was printed in a nice clean package. Layout, Renderings, ISO, Elevations etc.
9. Improved Countertop Wizard
February 12, 2019 at 10:30 pm #226850
Favourites – well this is what the Idea Centre is supposed to do but you have to remember to back it up and restore it when updating your 2020- version. Personally, I keep all mine in a couple of .KIT files as they stick around no matter what! Here’s an idea – why could 2020 not not tie the favourites to the Designers’ Cloud account as this would sort that issue!
Renderings – again, not really had a problem. If we send out the paper copies to the trades, we use hidden line or occasionally Colour+Edges. Clients get to see a high res render in Texture mode and/or a Panoramic render.
Printing Packages – well the only thing you can’t include automatically are the renderings and as I said, it’s easy to tack them on to a PDF.
9. Improved Countertop Wizard. Yes, too many bugs in this one but it generally works OK for the most part but when it does go wrong…hoo boy! Also they need to make sure that Cloud benchtop items don’t cause issues – I have a few cloud sinks that don’t seem to do the cutout correctly.
And I’m sure this has been mentioned before but a better Sketchup import! Too many Sketchup items cause issues. Agreed that it’s usually the bigger file sizes with too many Polygons.
More control over the print layout borders/content would be nice (I hate the Drawing Layout setup and never use it but I believe they are working to improve it). There is no reason to have such a severe limitation on logo size etc. That said, again we can solve this by using an overlay option in the Print to PDF software (we use the PDF X-Change package which is awesome and allows us to edit/annotate PDFs as well).
- This reply was modified 2 years ago by Mike Langensiepen.
February 13, 2019 at 2:48 pm #226879
Yes – I also store my “tweaked” stuff in a kit file.
I find that custom textures get lost when you put something in the Idea Centre.
Also – if you really liked something from V9 (like my fave: the tray of artichokes!), you can open a copy of the kitchen in V11 – and copy/paste the old item to a new kit file – but if you put it in the Idea Centre, it will never come out again! LOL!
I’ve created a lot of “custom” plants, light fixtures, etc from hacking and combining existing Cloud or “old” catalogue items – live-edge wood counters, etc – but they turn concrete grey if I put them in Idea Centre.
Kit files. Big fan.
SketchUp items are not modifiable once you hit SAVE on the kit file – so I make as many copies as I can – in every colour I think I will ever want before I save! LOL!
If Idea Centre “held” mods better, I would use it more.
February 19, 2019 at 11:03 am #227253
Here’s an odd wish!
Could the Cloud chairs be made so that when you mod their height, it’s the legs that grow?
Right now, it’s the chairback that gets longer – which isn’t helpful – but if one could adjust the leg length, then ANY chair could be a counterheight OR barheight stool!
March 13, 2019 at 5:33 pm #229561
Man, Mike, many great options there!
My opinions/ideas mirror others as well and maybe one not mentioned:
-Better rendering process. My 1080ti gc & high end cpu renders as slowly as the old computer i had worked on in the showroom, which ran like a poor mans laptop. The “Scetch” looks really bad, even in High.
-Floating Elevation window. Would be extremely helpful!
*Side note* I used v.9 at the old showroom, and although it was a slower computer for the most part, I’ve experienced more bugs in v.11.
-Can’t move architectural elements in the rendering module like cabinets can be. That needs to change.
-I haven’t found this in the program, so I’m guessing its not available: auto square footage “calculator”. Whenever a floor plan/backsplash is created, maybe have an option in attributes that calculates the square footage/inches/etc.. between specified points. Not sure how feasible it is and although not extremely necessary (falls in the “would be nice” category), it would make some calculations much quicker.
-Multiple countertop selecting: Whenever selecting multiple countertops and changing the texture in attributes, it makes the countertops all disappear when going back to the layout.
-Some weird lighting coming from windows, even with sun & ceiling lights off. Don’t know why there’s an external light source but this needs to be removed in the next update.
-being able to move items in a wall space much more freely as they would move around the rest of the floor plan. Having them move just left/right and having to constantly click the right mouse button to move in/out is extremely inconvenient especially when needing to place in a tight spot. Again, this was not an issue with v.9
-Less graphic/memory usage when it comes to floorplan/elevation. Having items like Kohler fixtures cycling through their item every time there’s some movement to the elevation is frustrating, even with a higher-end pc. Not like we need high graphic settings in an elevation but it may be related to something else I’m not thinking of.
-Fixing Countertop/trim wizard. Also not requiring generic catalog to use a brand name countertop.
I think that’s all for now- all that I’m thinking of at least.
And if there’ something I requested that is already an option that i missed, please let me know.
March 13, 2019 at 6:07 pm #229562
I believe Surface calculates your square footage – and to “turn off” the light coming in the window, I right click the window and choose the Light Properties, and change the colour of the light to Black.
Your other points, though – I don’t think they exist in the program yet – I too notice the V11 crashes a lot.
I try and shut it down completely when I leave my desk – if it’s open too long – even doing nothing – it gets crashy.
March 21, 2019 at 1:54 pm #230632
-When opening up a design with elevations, the design space shrinks instead of being at the size where left off.
Also, creating a new elevation while double clicking on the wall space, often can’t find the design space; Having to zoom far out in the hopes it shows up in the window. Or what happens more often: if there are no elevations, after creating a new one and increasing the elevation window size, have to search around for the design space. It would be awesome not having to do that anymore.
-Also opening more than one design would be very much appreciated
March 21, 2019 at 3:31 pm #230750
Thank you for your feedback. I took note of your suggestion.
In the mean time, I suggest you double click the middle mouse button on an elevation. This should automatically resize the content. Please note you can also use this capability in a perspective view.
I am not sure what you mean about opening up more than one design. This is possible within 2020 Design. You can even tile multiple opened design by clicking the “Arrange All” button in the “view” tab.
March 21, 2019 at 8:15 pm #230757
I think what Erik was asking is having the ability to having more than one design open but having the ability to easily click between designs without multiple steps. Either hovering over it or Control Tab to toggle back and forth would be amazing.
For lots of us, simple steps like this would save us tons of time. Especially when you have a production builder and you have to reference or copy information from a “Master” plan. Also, when you have to take a “Master” plan and draw it in several different configurations.
March 22, 2019 at 1:39 pm #230832
Thank you for that middle mouse tip- All this time and had no idea!
Exactly, Travis. I have multiple versions of a design, with various door styles (multiple styles within a design as well), it would be so much more convenient to jump between them and copy/paste changes. Also, as you said, referencing from a “master plan”.
And now I’m receiving alot of “run time” errors, shutting down the program. Go to start it up again and says it’s open already. Have to go to Task Manager to shut the process down. Oh well.
March 31, 2019 at 8:15 pm #231603
I would like to see more info in the information box, such as…..
what catalog the cabinet is from
door style and color
dimensions for available space L&R to closest cabinet
center from both L&R of cabinet
pretty much would like as much info as possible
April 13, 2019 at 12:40 pm #234237
Another odd request!
I sometimes like to highlight an area of the design to the attention to the client – perhaps a potential collision issue, perhaps a bad sight-line, etc – and right now I use the Circle or Rectangle in a bright colour – but I would love to be able to FILL those geometric shapes with a translucent, soft colour – like a virtual highlighter pen –
At the moment, if I flood the shape with colour, it blots out anything beneath it – but I’d like a soft, transparent colour overlay.
A gal can wish, right?
April 13, 2019 at 1:30 pm #234238
I take everything (floor plans, elevations, renderings) into Snagit, a screen capture program. There I can add notes, great arrows, high-lighting in different colors and transparency and so forth. I can match colors to cover up minor color flaws.
Spoiler alert: I am related to the CEO of the company which sells Snagit, but I was using it long before she took the job.
If I did it correctly, I attached an example.
April 22, 2019 at 3:10 pm #235440
A nuance that I’ve always experienced since v.9 atleast: when creating a Line or Running Line, the selecting of it and items around a line created is all FUBAR. Normally, in order to select an item, moreso in the elevation area, you would click on the item and all would be right with the world.. but in this case, the selection area of a created Line goes way beyond that Line, making it very difficult and some ways impossible to select any items around that created Line. And forget trying to click on a dimension associated with that created Line.
This needs to be fixed in whatever update is next. Give it about 1/8″ beyond that Line’s selection area.
Hope you all know what I mean.
April 22, 2019 at 5:22 pm #235454
Making any kind of notes is much easier and faster with a pdf editor, then 2020 is currently set up to handle. I have Acrobat, Nuance and Nitro and they all have their pros and cons with each. Acrobat is more user friendly but is limited to what it can do compared to the others. Not to mention it costs significantly more.
I mainly print the front views of each wall where cabinets are going then add notes with arrows as needed. You can make notes all over the pages in a matter a few seconds.
April 23, 2019 at 8:26 pm #235581
For PDF creating, annotation etc, I recommend PDF X-Change – we have been using it for years, have a company license and it is awesome. Quick, easy and so many features.
However, for general 2020 work, most of my designers use the 2020 notes feature and have lots of standard paragraphs saved as individual notes with file names like:
1. Plumber – Sink & Tap
2. Plumber – Dishwasher
3. Plumber – Laundry
4. Sparky – Rangehood
and so on. It’s easy and fast.
April 24, 2019 at 12:56 pm #235608
So – I’m not sure if this is the right thread for this….
My wish for the latest incarnation of 2020 would be that older appliances from the cloud not be “invisible” in an elevation!
I have an Idea Centre called “Matching Appliance Suites” – so I pull, let’s say, the Stainless selection – and what drops on my floorplan is electric slide-in, electric range with head, standard hood, decorative hood, OTR micro hood, two different dishwashers, a 30″W, 33″W, and a 36″W fridge (all french doors so I don’t need to worry about swing).
I delete the ones that don’t apply and I’ve got a quick, easy set of common appliances that look good – and all the stainless colours match.
Problem is, many of them have been living in my Idea Centre for awhile – so I get that “update” pop-up. I click “do it now”, but the speckly dots remain on the appliances, and then when I do an elevation they’re invisible.
I love the Idea Centre for this – rather than hunting down the appliances every time – then finding the colours don’t quite match….. but the invisible thing is super frustrating!
April 25, 2019 at 12:18 pm #235801
Back to Robert’s request. I need a way of distinguishing between catalogs on the floor plan and elevations. I am often using two-three manufacturer catalogs to create a an island in a different style/color than the perimeter. When I am in the zone designing, I often forget to note which catalog I am using and cannot catch it until I see a texture perspective. Then I have to go back and change cabinets to the other catalog.
Another long-gone design program (Autograph?) I used years ago allowed you to assign colors to each catalog (like the blue for appliances). That feature saved time.
April 25, 2019 at 12:31 pm #235802
Older appliance models need to remain available in 2020. In reality, homeowners do not replace a functioning 5-year old refrigerator when purchasing new cabinets. Having that model graphic available to stick in a design helps eliminate appliance sizing issues and impresses customers.
Putting appliances in the cloud may help for interesting color effects, but the manufacturer catalogs should remain. It is much easier to search for specific model numbers in the manufacturer catalog than scroll through pictures. Because you moved the GE French-door refrigerators to the cloud, I am forced to use a very old GE catalog to find what I need.
April 25, 2019 at 4:05 pm #235912
Regarding the recessed lights – I use a TON of them – and I have to put a little note next to each one consisting just of the “>” symbol. I then rotate the note until the > is pointing like an arrow to indicate where that particular spot is pointing.
For awkward or tight kitchens, I often have very manipulated, targeted lights specifically pointing in directions that, admittedly, would never be true in real life, but lights the cabinets up nicely for a rendering.
If the spots just automatically had a little, subtle arrow that pointed in the direction the spot was pointing (no arrow if straight down) as soon as I set the Horizontal – that would be really helpful!
May 2, 2019 at 11:06 am #236163Charles SeyferthParticipant
- Sinks that can have their dimensions modified – L, W, and D
- Selectable interior & exterior walls in the ribbon, and default settings for them (like thickness, materials, etc.)
- Ability to lock items & walls in place to avoid accidentally moving them.
- A generic door/window catalog that has set sizes (ex. Doors D2668, D2868, D3068, Bifold BF3068, BF4068, BF5068 / Double Hung DH3430, DH2446, Fixed FX4046 / etc.), or even get with popular manufacturers like Andersen, Pella, or Jeld-Wen for actual catalogs of their products.
May 7, 2019 at 11:06 am #236369Denis PerezParticipant
I have the best idea to bring the graphics on the rendering and 2020 design overall to the next level. Why dont you guys scrap your render engine all together and incorporate Unreal Engine as your rendering solution. Not only your renders will look incredibly realistic without constantly refreshing, but also you gain access to realtime raytracing on clients who have the RTX video cards! That would be amazing. Like if we could have the same control over cabinets, parts (flexibility of scaling, rotating and moving like in the UE Editor) would make making adjustments, adding decorative elements so much easier. Or if you would like to continue using your render solution then bring it to UE kind of level of quality and bring raytracing at least. Just my humble opinion maybe I am dreaming or asking for too much…
May 7, 2019 at 7:44 pm #236541
There may be commercial reasons why the Unreal engine is not feasible but certainly there are faster/better render engines out there. I did have a quick look at exporting designs to Unity but ran out of time. I also played with exporting the whole design to Sketchup and using one of the Sketchup render engines but the learning curve was just a pain. I think we just have to keep the pressure on but also to bear in mind that improvements in hardware are one of the best ways to improve render speeds. One of my designers is about to take delivery of an i9 system with RTX video card and I can’t wait to see how it does on 2020 renders!
May 8, 2019 at 9:56 am #236587
I built a machine a desktop that can handle about any game on the market just for 2020. You still have to select a high quality rendering to make it look halfway decent. The hardware does help but not really the main reason why renderings take so long or have poor quality.
Why would they look better with V9 then V11………
May 8, 2019 at 10:23 am #236591
I agree. There are people in my showroom still using V9 and their renderings are much lower quality than my 11.x ones.
Rendering quality (especially textures) depending on the manufacturer catalog being used. Some of the cabinet companies (UltraCraft) have excellent renderings. Others such as lower-end builders grade have horrible color or texture renderings.
Kohler, Stanisci, and a number of non-cabinet manufacturers have such detailed renderings that use up so much memory I sometimes just put them in a design copy for graphic purposes and leave them out of the working file.
May 8, 2019 at 10:38 am #236592Denis PerezParticipant
I think its a matter of maximizing the usage of the available graphic card. I dont know why it has to be constantly refreshing like that. And definetly realtime raytracing will be amazing. Like if they incorporate game engine features you will get something that looks like its prerendered and close what VRay its capable of. That is why I suggest they should explore changing their rendering engine all together and letting us have more control over objects and textures (rotate textures easily, scale objects in the perspective 3D view, add drag and drop textures, do some polygon modifiers (add bevel to surfaces more more realism, UV adjusting etc) will make 2020 a monster and it will shake the industry all together. Hopefully this things could be implemented soon…one mor thing realtime measurements (when I scale objects in the 3D view measurements get adjusted). I love 2020 and hope to see this features soon.
May 8, 2019 at 10:39 am #236593
For one of my cabinet suppliers I create the textures for all their cabinets myself – and I know what you mean about Kohler! I ended up creating my own modern sinks and storing them in my Idea Centre…. I look forward to the 64bit version of 2020 coming out for the FAUCETS I’ll be able to get from SketchUp if nothing else! LOL
June 14, 2019 at 1:52 pm #241094
Hi 2020 Genies!
My wish is the ability to assign different colours in the floorplan to different catalogues, so when I’m designing with more than one catalogue, each cabinet, filler, etc in the second or third catalogue shows as a different hue on the floorplan –
Currently I am doing it manually, one item at a time, in both the “All” and the “All (no dims)” tabs. The ability to do it en masse would be AWESOME.
June 17, 2019 at 1:14 pm #241196Tyler KehlParticipant
When applying a custom texture to an object, allow us to overlay the texture onto the object – instead of 2020 automatically applying it. This will help with multiple things – such as getting that vein just right on that countertop, aligning and image correctly on a TV screen, lining up tiles correctly, etc.
June 18, 2019 at 11:01 am #241311
Hi Tyler, when I want a TV image or the front of a custom microwave or something VERTICAL to stay exactly where I put it – I use a Scenery Panel (ROOM Generic – under Windows) and if your image is the same proportion WxH as the panel – it will place exactly and never drift.
I would LOVE the 2020 gods to create an equivalent Scenery panel that was HORIZONTAL for just as you mentioned: ctops with character, or a special feature rug, etc.
June 18, 2019 at 12:52 pm #241346
Panorama and High Def Image *light optimization*?
I find a nice level of lighting in “Medium” or even “High” in Textures…when I launch a HiDef, or do a Pano, the light looks WAY brighter – sometimes blown out.
It would be great if there was a little window that popped up that showed your image with optimization engaged – and you could inch a slider to make it a little brighter or darker than optimal if you want, THEN initiate.
If that’s possible.
I tend to think of 2020 Central as Hogwart’s – I realize that.
July 15, 2019 at 2:43 pm #243388
Not sure if it’s been recommended but I find it fairly annoying not being able to increase window sizes such as “Obstacles & Openings”. Not as important but it would be great to have a “sample” image of what each selection looks like.
And exactly what Mike just requested about having all of those symbols available in the cloud
August 5, 2019 at 10:52 pm #244679
Can the Legending PLEASE be changed so that add-ons show as an offset item immediately below the cabinet they have been added to. Currently, they show in the order they were added.
We use (for example) an add-on for when we scallop/notch the left or right side of a cabinet for a sink/coopktop. Ideally we would want the legend to be similar to this:
Attached is a pic of how it happens at the moment.
October 2, 2019 at 10:24 am #251447
1. I would love to have a way to organize my custom textures in the texture library. It would also be helpful to be able to delete textures in the current design tab. When I import models from either the cloud or SketchUp, I usually change the textures, swapping a basic grey color for brushed nickel, etc. The amount of unused textures that are in the current design are often duplicated and takes a really long time to load.
2. It is not easy to create annotations in elevations. I like to give our contractors detailed notes and am often frustrated when annotation lines disappear or move themselves 900 feet from where I put it. The ability to copy and paste on an elevation would save a lot of time.
3. Realistic doors would be cool, the flat weird knob isn’t doing it. I don’t like using the wizard because selecting “Undefined” makes the frame lime green, and you can’t change the header color.
October 25, 2019 at 1:09 pm #258036muhammet isikParticipant
1)When we mirror a cabinet, finish end doesnt change. I wish it changes by mirror prompt.
2)I need to see finish ends in layout. Can you just highlight the side just that side may draw with a yellow line, I don’t want any notes if it just highlights it will save 20% of my review time.
I really pray for you If you fix these issues.
November 1, 2019 at 12:57 pm #258420Jacob DaceyParticipant
I can’t find this info anywhere, but maybe it already exists. I’m also positive this used to exist, but maybe I’m imagining things…
If I click a “placement zone” in my open design that I have already created an elevation for, can the tab for that elevation be highlighted? When I have a complex design with many elevations open and I need to find a specific one, I’m clicking through a lot of tabs to find it…
November 1, 2019 at 1:47 pm #258422Jacob DaceyParticipant
That helps a lot, thank you. I’ve been doing this for long enough that I couldn’t tell you if I was never shown that you can rename the tabs or if I just forgot it a long time ago! It’d still be nice if it highlighted when I clicked the placement zone, just for quick reference, but renaming is a lot quicker than what I have been doing!
November 14, 2019 at 2:14 pm #259737
I am wondering if the Base dimension lines on a design view can include anything that is below 36″ (As well as doors, windows, and tall cabinets)…. and the Wall dimension lines can include anything above 36″ (including doors, windows, and tall cabinets). Currently I can not figure out how to make that happen.
It would be a HUGE time saver and very helpful to have the distance from a wall cabinet to the tall cabinet or window that is on the left or right show up, or to have the distance from a base cabinet to the door show up. without having to check it manually or calculate it.
Please see attached print.
November 16, 2019 at 12:52 pm #259804
<p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.313em; color: #7e8083; font-family: Lato, sans-serif; font-size: 14.85px;”>Hi,</p>
<p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.313em; color: #7e8083; font-family: Lato, sans-serif; font-size: 14.85px;”>I am wondering if the Base dimension lines on a design view can include anything that is below 36″ (As well as doors, windows, and tall cabinets)…. and the Wall dimension lines can include anything above 36″ (including doors, windows, and tall cabinets). Currently I can not figure out how to make that happen.</p>
<p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.313em; color: #7e8083; font-family: Lato, sans-serif; font-size: 14.85px;”>It would be a HUGE time saver and very helpful to have the distance from a wall cabinet to the tall cabinet or window that is on the left or right show up, or to have the distance from a base cabinet to the door show up. without having to check it manually or calculate it.</p>
<p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.313em; color: #7e8083; font-family: Lato, sans-serif; font-size: 14.85px;”>Please see attached print.</p>
November 18, 2019 at 4:35 pm #259958
Thank you for this feedback. We took note of this request.
Did you have a chance to try out the Multi-Dimension tool? Many users have reported that this is a huge time saver to annotated the desired dimensions quickly.
November 20, 2019 at 10:31 am #260197
Thank you! I Soooooooooo hope that change will be made. I’m not sure what you mean by the multi dimensions tool…. Do you mean the “point to line” , “line to line”, or “Angular” dimension tools and the annotation tools?? If so, I do love them, I just think the plan’s outside dimension lines could be improved and would be a HUGE time saver when designing, not to mention it would be less confusing for the contractors who are trying to read them.
Having a “Base” line of everything that is below 36″ (Including doors, windows and tall cabinets)… and a “WALL” line of everything that is Above 36″ (Including doors, windows, and tall cabinets) will make the space between these items automatically show up on the line so I don’t have to stop and look up the space.
Not having to stop what I’m doing to use a tool or calculator to calculate the space that is left would make my design time FLY!!
I’m ADHD and any time I can reduce a distraction from my train of thought, I’m advocating for it. :O)
So please, please, please look into this. It used to be a feature on Planit Kitchen Design Software.
November 20, 2019 at 1:56 pm #260205
I am referring to the Multi Dimension tool introduced in V11.12 (available in V12 also).
Here is a link to the knowledge article about it:
Not sure if it will help, but if you are looking for the space that is remaining, there is extra data available in the Information Box when you hover your mouse in the specific area on the FloorPlan or the Elevation.
Let me know.
November 20, 2019 at 12:59 pm #260215Kelly LaddParticipant
-Arrows or leaders. They are necessary when you move the label of a smaller item like a filler and then want to use an arrow to show what that label goes to, etc.
-More customization in the title block
November 20, 2019 at 2:04 pm #260222Sanoma KitchensParticipant
Please allow for input of rotation angle when grouping items. The option is there but its just greyed out. (extremely infuriating when trying to move islands)
Dimensioning still has a ton of work to do.
Allow for handle placement on other catalogues
For the love of god bring the file size of cloud items down. adding 2-3 items will make my file jump from 1000 kb to 10,000-15,000 kb.
allow for multi axis rotation.
Please bring back the catalog viewer as well. I used that to look at appliances and plmubing without having to click on each one. (major time saver)
Overall this is a massive improvement and I’m glad you guys are listening. But there is still a ton of work to do on it.
November 20, 2019 at 2:25 pm #260234
- Group Item Rotation:
- We took note of this request.
- What type of work would you like to have done wrt the dimensions?
- Additional door handles:
- We are currently working on the 2020 Cloud which will allow the use of additional catalogs (appliances, sinks, faucets, pulls and handles) on any cabinets. Please stay tuned! : )
- File Size:
- We are currently working on optimizing our Cloud Solution. Please stay tuned ; )
- Multi Axis Rotation
- I assume you are looking to rotate item in the Elevation view. This comes with a couple of challenges in 2020 Design, especially when we are performing calculations of colliding items . We are considering allowing it for Decorative items. Would this be sufficient to you?
- Catalog Viewer
- We took note of your request.
Thank you for your feedback, please don’t hesitate if you have more!
- Group Item Rotation:
December 10, 2019 at 11:31 am #262234Sanoma KitchensParticipant
For dimensioning, I would like to be able to change individual dimension attributes.
ie. for plumbing I would like to do my dims in blue, while the rest are in black.
as far as multi axis rotation. decorative items would be a benefit. I apologize for the delay in response. Feel free to reach out to me directly @ email@example.com for a quicker response
December 20, 2019 at 7:14 pm #264196
I would love appliances I can give ANY texture to.
My client has chosen the new Whirlpool appliances in “Sunset Bronze”. I don’t have those in 2020, so I’m using the generic appliances. The range will allow me to choose a paint colour (The Sherwin-Williams “Faint Coral” is pretty close to perfect) for the control panel – but for the DOOR of the range – I HAVE to choose a metal. Why?
I can choose CARPETING for the coil elements, LOL! And fabric for the sides (yes – I like to colour all the parts crazy so I know what colour tag is assigned to what part of the appliance – makes customizing them faster).
But I can only choose a metal for the door. Gah.
I LOVE that I have so much control over the colours on the generic stove – I can recolour the knobs separately from the control panel backround, the glass, there are TWO colours I can change on the coils – and I don’t want to give up that level of control – just allowing ALL options for all the components so I can create suites that match.
Now I have to build a stove from scratch using CUBEs and CYLINDERs. 🙁
December 20, 2019 at 8:38 pm #264197
I’ve been disappointed by the selection of “official” appliances in the cloud catalog. Some manufacturers have been better than others at adding things. It’s especially frustrating trying to do a complete kitchen in “Slate” or “Black Stainless”. Still, I can understand why you cant change the texture on “official” models, i.e. those modeled by manufactures to resemble their actual line.
If you are looking to customize, download and import models from sketchup. You’ll probably find a model that’s close to the shape you want and you can apply any textures you like.
Some years ago I won a really nice high-end job at least partially because I was the only designer who took the time to find the client’s imported Lacanche range, and render it in the custom color she’d ordered it in.
December 21, 2019 at 12:22 pm #264198
Yes – I miss SketchUp a lot! We haven’t upgraded to V12 yet – and the “alternative” way of downloading SketchUp items for V11 does not work for us. Our company’s computer system has a very hardcore firewall – and a lot of downloads and websites just don’t work.
I should also mention that not every business that has managed to afford 2020 as a piece of software has the money for cutting edge computers. We have relatively new ones, but it will probably be 5 to 6 years before we are upgraded again. SketchUp items that look good chew up a LOT of memory. I always found that one SketchUp item in my design would cause a lot of lag, and two would basically grind the design to a virtual halt – and I would have to save after every little thing I did, because I didn’t know when 2020 would just go poof. An entire matching appliance suite? No possible way.
If SketchUp appliances cause that kind of lag in V12, then I’ll be stuck with making my own appliances with Cubes and Cylinders, or colouring generic ones.
I can’t imagine it would be THAT difficult for the 2020 folks to create one electric range, one gas range, one French door fridge, one top freezer fridge, one dishwasher, and one OTR microwave that are all W/H/D adjustable, hinge switchable, and all the components can be coloured individually. We’re ALMOST there now with the standard 2020 generic appliances! SO CLOSE! Just open up the colour options and we’re there!
December 23, 2019 at 12:57 pm #264302
It’s kind of a pain but if you can’t update 2020, you can always import the assets into sketchup and save them as an older file type and import them into 2020 from your pc. I personally sometimes make my own models in blender then import them to sketchup, and then to 2020. It would be really nice to get a uv texture editor window though in 2020. I don’t only use 2020 for cabinets but also for tile.
February 13, 2020 at 3:49 pm #267188Scott ParkerParticipant
Is there scope to create a mobile app that you could use to conduct a home survey with, that would sync with 2020 once back at the desktop? So your floor plans and dimensions taken on site are ready to work with.
There are a few decent floorplanning apps that are great for paperless surveys however they dont transfer into the cad software feel its a missed opportunity.
Naturally this can be done on laptop, but majority of time it’s pen and paper then cad up once back at the office.
- This reply was modified 1 year ago by Scott Parker.
February 13, 2020 at 4:05 pm #267190Scott ParkerParticipant
Does anyone have a table or list of render times based on different hardware.
I’m trying to demonstrate how much time a fully specced desktop can reduce render times vs a laptop that’s barely above minimum required spec.
Our design office produce hundreds of renders per week, and unless a special case the majority are medium quality without the trims, designs look OK but don’t pop like a high quality with full lighting would.
For me it would be preferable to have every plan looking the best it can.
Or if any one has a beast of a machine set up could post an image with a render time it would be appreciated.
February 13, 2020 at 5:14 pm #267191
“Magic Plan” does that. It’s available on iOS and Android. I use it on every project.
By itself, it’s not accurate enough, but it integrates with any Bluetooth capable laser disto, so confirming critical dimensions is quick and easy. I use a Leica that I bought for $150 on Amazon a few years ago.
Importing into 2020 is pretty easy too. Earlier versions used to get window and door types mixed up, but that’s been corrected as of v12.
February 20, 2020 at 4:32 pm #269761
Would love to see more lighting options. The ROOM_FUR catalog is extremely outdated and the cloud only seems to have very interesting lights. Where are the normal 2/3-sconce light fixtures? Or the typical bowl ceiling lights?
February 21, 2020 at 5:31 pm #269917
We have added additional lights in the Cloud Catalogs. If you can’t find what you are looking for let us know through this link: https://www.2020spaces.com/2020-decorative-items/
Also, you should know that the Cloud lights don’t emit “light” yet unfortunately. I know… The work around is to add the light sources from the ROOM_FUR catalog: Light Fixtures – Light Source.
2020 Design Product Manager
March 5, 2020 at 6:36 pm #272245Jennifer Newton-BatemanParticipant
As a general designer coming out of a job as a K&B designer, I am using the generic catalogs for plans and renderings, therefore I do not have access to the manufacturer cabinet catalogs. Is it too much to ask for the sample F (and 2 & 3) catalogs to be updated and made more user friendly? I often use multiple catalogs for different color and style cabinets within a single floor plan.
1. The new shaker cabinet is only available in Sample F and not the extra catalogs why?!
2. An update of the door styles generally… Some of the styles in sample F are ridiculously outdated! More options with flat panels in a variety of widths would be fantastic. They could seriously whittle down the number of doors to reflect more contemporary offerings. At the very least add the shaker style to all the catalogs and maybe also give us a wide rail shaker.
3. PLEASE ADD PAINT COLOR SELECTIONS TO THE STYLE & PRICING OPTIONS for the sample catalogs! And please make texture changes automatically match to default to one thing like the door or frame texture, then we can change individual texture settings if we want a contrasting color somewhere. It often requires me to change colors in both the global attributes AND on EVERY INDIVIDUAL CABINET because a number of texture attributes on the cabinets don’t automatically switch when you change the door color. This is an enormous time suck!
4. The drawer pull color does not change when you change the pull color in the global attributes, so again I have to go into EVERY INDIVIDUAL CABINET with drawer hardware and change the drawer pull texture to match the door pull texture! Another time waster.
5. Ability to change pulls separately on upper and lower doors of tall cabinets, like you can with doors and drawers, would be nice.
6. Any chance there is going to be an update of the generic plumbing catalog to get rid of forty year old plumbing fixtures that are found nowhere in nature? How about for both kitchen & bath faucets give us a streamlined selection of a few each of traditional, transitional, and modern styles with a variety of finish options or the ability to choose the texture. Also, the shower heads & sets… Maybe update those to reflect modern versions? Especially more options for shower only with no tub spout and rain shower heads that aren’t only on the 16″ -24″ straight arms! At least the ability to change dimensions on the shower heads and arms. Something! Also, how about some floor mount tub fillers? Again, even just three options (with finish texture editing) would be fabulous to have SOMETHING for the freestanding tubs.
Finally, is there really no farmhouse/ apron front sink base in the sample catalogs or am I just utterly blind?!
Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions on these items,
March 6, 2020 at 9:26 am #272307
Thank you so much for your detailed feedback. Here are a couple of answers and questions for you:
- Correct, we have added the Shaker doors to the Sample E, F and M. To which other catalogs are you referring to? Of course, the Manufacturer catalogs will have the doors styles they support.
- Could you provide us with a list of doors styles you think are outdated? We are currently working on the next generation of Generic Cloud Cabinet Catalogs. The styles available should be more in tune with the current trends.
- The next Cloud Configurable items solution will provide such capability. It will be much easier to set the color of the cabinets of a kitchen.
- The next Cloud Configurable items solution will provide such capability. It will be much easier to set the color of the pulls of a kitchen.
- This also will be possible with the Cloud Configurable item solution.
- This is a very good point. We will look at creating a new plumbing Cloud Catalog with more current items. I will relay the information to the 2020 Cloud Team.
- We will look at also Manufactures of Farmhouse sink in the Cloud. I will relay the information to the 2020 Cloud Team.
Thanks again Jennifer.
Product Manager of 2002 Design
March 9, 2020 at 7:52 pm #272611
Can we add to the wishlist the ability to disconnect walls from each other so that they form a new group and/or to be able to move a wall from one group to another.
This would allow us to colour code walls on the floorplan via display settings.
March 12, 2020 at 10:14 am #272907
Version 12 Wishlist:
I’m sorry it’s kind of long, I’ve been adding to this list for a while. I finally had a chance to upload…
1-A: Easier method of annotating. If I use some of the draw shapes like a line to a cabinet, a circle or rectangle, they are in the forefront (and the click range is wide), so when I try to move a dimension or cabinet, I have to move the annotation out of the way. In an elevation, lines are selected first and shoots 20’ away from the drawing. I try to move it back, but I have to zoom out because there is a very large gap between the line and my curser, so I have to overshoot my curser from where I am placing it to get it to the right spot.
1-A.1: To be able to copy and paste in an elevation. It defaults to the floor plan.
1-B: To be able to change the color of a specific dimension to help draw the contractor’s attention or color code a set of dimensions to coincide with annotations.
1-B.2: A better way to show moved or removed windows, doors, and walls in a construction plan. I spend a lot of time creating one by hand or using a supplemental program drawing the 2D plan in Sketchup. It would be great to do it all within the program.
1-B.3: New shapes for revision clouds, 2D shapes for construction plans and other call outs. I create construction plans for contractors, so the ability to call out revisions easily in the program would be helpful.
1-B.4: A way to adjust line thickness on annotation shapes/lines. Additionally, the dashed lines don’t show as dashed when printed.
2-A: A way to lock walls, windows, and doors in place would minimize a lot of headaches. So many times, I will go to move something, barely touch a wall and the whole room moves. All the openings themselves shift, but the doors and windows go back to their original locations, so I have holes behind kitchen cabinets. I have to drag my doors and hit escape fix every door and window opening.
2-B: Perhaps an added “Layer” feature similar but not as complex as AutoCAD is the answer to 2-A? To be able to turn on and off, lock and unlock certain elements, would be amazing. I do different things on the plan tabs, as intended. I annotate one tab and group my annotations together (safety measure), and I switch to a different tab and move a cabinet or dimension, the “invisible” annotations from one tab become selectable and show up on the current open tab I’m working in.
3-A: So excited about the updated the doors, but windows are still generic. A way to change the style of window (ex. a different casing texture from the window insert, a way to show it with sheet rock returns versus encased etc.), and different operating mechanisms, and straight casings, not the angled bottom piece.
3-B: When changing the texture of new doors, not all the parts of the door are changed or show up in a different color. The top and bottom rails of the door change to gray when I choose an off white for example. Door wizard doors have a light property that puts a spotlight on it that cannot be turned off. Undefined doors are bright colors and not all colors are editable. The top of the casing remains lime green, and the rails on the door remain red. Window wizard doesn’t change to a different texture at all.
3-C: Can you adjust the attribute to set and dimension the size of the door and window without having to include the casing? Ex. to properly show a door opening as 34″, I have to add for the casing, so it needs to be 39″ and gets dimensioned as such, which confuses contractors. To be able to insert door at 34″ and 2020 adjusts for the casing would help a ton. Even more so if the casing width shows correctly on the plan. I find that although the property of the window says the frame width is 2.5” (which you can change, but it doesn’t visually show thicker), when I dimension from the casing, it only shows as 2” on the plan, so my window width (when I dimension from the inside) is an inch wider than I need it to be.
4-A: PLEASE! A way to manually delete textures from “Textures in Current Design” tab. As selections change, I add and change textures of cloud items, and import Sketchup models (also the ability to change Sketchup textures is removed when I reload the program, which means I have to re-import the model and do it again). The amount of textures that are in the current design get ridiculous mostly because it duplicates the textures. The more textures there are, the longer it takes for the tab to load. I get a “Not Responding” message until it finishes loading – taking sometimes up to 15 minutes. I usually copy my design into a new program, but that means changing all my textures and changing global attributes for cabinetry. It would be a time saver not to have to do this.
4-B: The ability to catalog and organize custom textures in folders like the common textures!!!
5: For some reason, if I edit a user shape, countertop, or mouldings etc, close the edit shape tab, and I undo something I recently did (like undo a cabinet selection) or hit esc., the program decides it is going to undo everything up to the point I last edited the shape countertop or moulding, and I am right back into the edit shape tab. That’s frustrating.
- This reply was modified 11 months, 3 weeks ago by Kayla Herrick.
March 26, 2020 at 6:27 pm #275433
I would like to see the option to change the number of cells in the title block.
Also, it would be great to be able to determine the line width of the block. Any drafting class teaches that the block should be the widest line on the page. What I would like, shape wise, is shown on your print preview, am I missing something?
April 29, 2020 at 10:26 am #279419
Oooo man, there are some good ones listed recently!
-I second Mike’s request regarding grouping walls, although what I had in mind is being able to create a new “Wall group” under Wall Properties and moving walls into those created groups within the Wall Properties window. Similarly to how a new folder is created in Windows and files are dragged to that new folder. This would be awesome!
-Kayla’s 2-A!!! To be able to lock Architectural elements (walls, doors, windows, soffits,etc..) would be incredible! Can’t tell you how many times i’ve accidentally moved the whole wall structure; I would safely say most of us have done that and often even when selecting ‘redo / Ctrl-Z’ there would be some sort of new issue created that wasn’t there before (colliding items, etc…).
-Kayls’s 3-A & 3-C are also really good ones. Oh, and 1-A & 1-A.1.
Selecting an item when there is an annotation, measurement or line “close” is very difficult. I feel like the selecting point on any annotation is much further than the annotation itself which, in some cases, makes selecting something like a cabinet awkward.
-A huge one for me -aside from my normal request of being able to have floating elevations- is to be able to have 2 or more catalogs open. At the moment I’m working on 3 designs that are 2-toned and having to jump around the catalog list makes the process a bit tedious. I’m sure we could think of a million situations where having multiple catalogs of anything open simultaneously would be helpful- docked or floating.
-Oh and Jennifer’s request for updated generic plumbing fixtures (I’m looking at YOU floor mounted tub fillers!). And to be able to change their dimensions would be just gravy!
April 29, 2020 at 12:05 pm #279422
You *can* have two catalogues open at once.
Switch to your second catalogue and drill down to a cabinet – any cabinet. Instead of dragging the cabinet into your design, right-click and choose “Add Drag & Drop List”.
An additional Drag & Drop window will appear, floating, in your workspace.
You can then switch your standard Drag & Drop window to the first catalogue.
Presto! You have Catalogue One open in your usual Drag& Drop window, and your second catalogue open in your floating one.
May 7, 2020 at 10:59 am #280987
I would love to be able to modify the title block
May 7, 2020 at 11:08 am #280989
May 7, 2020 at 1:58 pm #281051
100% agree. Especially printing to 11×17 it makes the title block obnoxiously huge. Your only alternative is to use the layout tool and its got several formatting issues as well, at least in V11. Thats why lots of people save everything as jpeg and import to something like powerpoint so you can control how things are displayed. Kind of pain to do, but sure looks sharp when done correctly.
May 9, 2020 at 12:51 pm #281404
My wish would be for all the Light controls to be together.
As it is, when I use a recessed spot (from the old catalogue obviously), I need to control the colour of the light and the style of the ray pattern in the Light Attributes box – but adjusting the Horizontal and Vertical (to control where the light is pointing and how high it’s hitting) and switching on and off whether the fixture is visible in the render are both done in the Attributes box. While the angle of beam and wattage can be controlled from both the Light Attributes AND the Attributes boxes.
I am forever bopping between Attributes and Light Attributes until the light has the right look and is pointing as far up or down as I want.
May 22, 2020 at 11:35 am #283103
I think I read somewhere in here once before a request of being able to change display settings of an individual measurement- man o’MAN, I’m wishing this was an option already! Hadn’t really had much of a use for that before but now offering contracting services and using these plans for the subs, it would be so helpful. It would be cleaner & easier having just 1 plan with everyone on it in an organized fashion.
Just my 2 cents.
ok, maybe my 5 cents.
May 22, 2020 at 11:46 am #283104
Sorry, I just realized how cheesy that was.
Another thought: Not sure if this is possible currently, but a button that clicking it would automatically measure everything in the elevation or plan.
Final thought: I see it’s possible to select multiple measurements but it doesn’t seem possible to move the measurements when more than one is selected. Am I missing something?
June 4, 2020 at 12:07 pm #285164
Just popping on here to second the motion that it would be WONDERFUL if we could drop in windows and doors as per rough openings (without casing), including the up/down.
We could then click a button to include the casing (for our design work) – but chose either/or for printing dims. Homeowners that are doing their own install in an existing space with existing casings would want dims that SHOW casings, while contractors don’t.
So even if we had the option to have rough opening in one TAB and dims with casing sin another?
For design work itself – I just got a blueprint for a new project. The windows are ALL different sizes. One window is listed as 48×42, I have to enter it as 54×48 to account for standard 3″casing. The TOP of the window is noted as 7′ off the floor. So 84″, minus 48″high window gives me an up/down – BUT that’s with the bottom casing. So I then have to take off 3″ to get the bottom of the rough opening.
Anything you guys can do to make that easier is great appreciated.
June 6, 2020 at 6:17 pm #285366
** How about the ability to adjust the Up/Down of Grouped Items?**
I store vignettes of ctop dressing (like pitcher of orange juice, two glasses, some loose oranges, and a cut orange on a cutting board with knife – this person was making orange juice) etc – and being able to group them and adjust the Up/Down to standard ctop height versus bar height would be great! It would also be good for stuff grouped together on a shelf that you want to copy/paste to another shelf – but that shelf is higher or lower.
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July 3, 2020 at 12:57 pm #288177
It would be nice to either have Moen or Kohler showerhead faucets with an option to add a shower arm diverter and handheld attached (the type that does not require a transfer valve). We don’t always use the slide bar or drop el options in real life.
Another is artwork, it would be great to have a set of two offset canvas paintings (where the paintings coordinate but one is positioned higher than the other and right/left options). Additionally, it would be great to get some wall decor items that one would use for gallery walls. Or a set of three again not all the same size (example, right/left paintings smaller than the center one)
Plants: It would be great to have more options for succulents, Sketchup has good options but it seems like most often, the nicer looking ones bog 2020 down so badly that I can’t use them.
Tables: Kitchen/dining room tables with a more transitional pedestal base (not 4 table legs), transitional tables and chairs, sofas, end tables, ladder bookcase that is already decorated!
More transitional items are needed across the board. Especially for lighting, maybe try teaming up with Kichler, Seagull or Hinkley lighting and get more of their style on the cloud. Everything is either super contemporary or super traditional, there’s not much available for in between those two styles.
Semi-frameless sliding shower doors, the options available have bulky metal, it doesn’t look the greatest.
Decorative grab bars would be great too! Something that doesn’t look so institutionalized.
Teak shower seats, this is a trend now for us. People no longer want built in benches because they do not function!
Freestanding tub teak caddy that lays across the tub, they have some with places for wine/cups, book stand, etc.
Shampoo/Conditioner bottles. We need more items to decorate bathrooms and laundry rooms.
Windows: Double hung options with mullions (where you can change how many mulions there are). Double hung options that consist of more than one window together too. You have the option for casement windows, but not for double hung. If we could add additional sections that would be awesome!
Framed arched doorways, frameless arch doorways are needed.
Corners of walls: When you have a 1/2 wall at the end of a 96″ wall, it creates a diagonal on the taller wall, in real life this would still be square. It looks bad, I get around this by not connecting the two walls, but it would be nice not to have to mess around with it.
Tile: We need herringbone/chevron options or anything that is “decorative”, squares and rectangles just don’t cut it all the time and it would be nice to have an editable version to some of the new patterns out there. Using the surface tool is ok, but we don’t always present our designs in color and visually seeing the shapes in hidden line would be helpful.
Washers and dryers, I wish we could change the size. We used to be able to long ago, but not for the past couple of years. Sometimes customers are reusing what they have and I can’t accurately depict them in the design to match the exact size that I need. Same with fridges too.
July 7, 2020 at 2:17 pm #288544
I don’t know if this has already been mentioned – perhaps even by me LOL- but it would be great to be able to adjust the Up/Down of a set of Grouped items all together.
Sometimes I create vignettes of plates, cups, etc for inside glass front cabs etc and I always have to Ungroup, then adjust the height of each item individually to make them sit on the shelf.
If I could bring up an elevation, grab the Group and just raise or lower them all – that would be a real timesaver.
September 24, 2020 at 10:23 am #298666Daniel RankinParticipant
We offer to our designers two identical catalogs named “A” and “B” catalogs so they can design two different combinations of cabinets in the same design. With this ability they sometimes place or “Replace” cabinets out of the wrong catalog in which puts them in the wrong catalog when they send it over to be ordered. Sales is asking if there is a way to color code the outline of the cabinets based on the catalog? I was suggested to create a custom Scheme but all I have found that does is for the whole design, not catalog specific. Our request is that this be an attribute that I can program from catalog tools for each catalog specific to be a different color or at least a Global Attribute in Design that can be changed for the specific catalog and not the whole design like the Scheme does. Going through a whole designs two catalogs and setting each individual cabinet’s outline color is not something we expect a designer to do. Also, once set if the catalog changes for that cabinet, say they “replace” it with a cabinet from the other catalog, it stays that color no matter what catalog it is from. We do suggest to our dealers to view their perspective to catch the different colors but that is not always going to obvious depending on the color choices made, and I am sure not always done. Plus reviewing the reports before submitting the order!! Thanks.
September 25, 2020 at 11:05 am #298865
I would love to be able to drop any generic 2020 knob or pull onto the floorplan anywhere – NOT just attached to a cabinet! Oriented either horizontally for drawers or vertically for doors.
I often use Rev-a-Shelf filler pullouts that require a filler strip mounted as an ersatz doorfront – and then I can’t put a pull on it.
There are also instances when the client wants a phony pull on a doorpanel.
Right now, I am choosing very simplistic pulls – so I can float a cylinder half an inch from the cabinet and it kinda looks ok. I would RATHER be able to float a matching pull right against the filler/doorpanel!
Sometimes a client wants an unusual pull placement – or the pull placement is not a default offered on the drop-down (like putting fingerpulls RIGHT at the edge of the door/drawer)
It would be handy to be able to turn OFF the pulls for that cabinet and manually “float” a pull against the cabinet.
September 30, 2020 at 8:09 pm #299545
<p class=”MsoNormal”>Is there a log of changes to a drawing? If not, can we add this to the wishlist please. We would not mind if the log is for the Design program as a whole or just for drawings (e.g. if drawing is fred.kit, log would be fred.log)</p>
October 6, 2020 at 12:12 pm #300087Kevin LimaParticipant
Force Checkout for Cloud Users
I’ve switched over 30 users over the cloud and ditched the USB dongles. I know have an annoying scenario where users are forgetting to sign out from their work computers when they are at home. I then have to log in to their workstations and sign them out manually so they can use 20-20 at home.
I understand that this is a feature to ensure the user can log in even if there is no internet connection. However, forcing users to log off everyday kind of defeats that purpose if the internet is not available.
This only affects users who vary from home and work, which is almost everyone now.
I would like to see a message pop up saying you are logged on another computer. Do you wish to force checkout. If that’s not possible then an option in the cloud admin to force people out.
October 8, 2020 at 1:50 pm #300428
Please add more light options! There are a decent number of options, but the styles are just outdated and most can barely be modified for me to try and make it anything like the selected fixture. More modern designs for sconces and pendants, please!!!
October 10, 2020 at 12:52 am #300636Pauline RibbansParticipant
1- The ability to stretch and split cabinets.
2- Change the Numerical of a Dimension without changinng the Dimension
3-Set up Room and cabinet heights etc at the beginning of a job.
4- Let me rotate labels again.
5- Fix the way Cloud items move
6- Stop it crashing when you make too many changes to a cabinet.
November 20, 2020 at 1:01 pm #306959
1. would be an Align tool. This would really help when needed to set things up to align with other items.
2. Browser for Plans, Elevations and 3D views that would keep views stored instead of deleting them. This seems silly that I have to adjust a window to hide a view when I don’t need it.
3. Having the ability to select items in 3D so I can work between 3D and plans or elevations.
4. Having dimension lines move together when selecting multiple. Trying to add and line up dimensions is painful. Have a dimension highlight when I select an item and be able to move it by typing in the dimension instead of having to use the wheel. Much quicker way to move items and fix unwanted dimension fractions.
I come from 15 years of using Autodesk Revit as an Architect and these are just some of the simple thing I have seen in just using 2020 Design for 2 weeks.
November 20, 2020 at 2:21 pm #306970
Hi Jennifer, you can right click on items, click center and then select the item you want to center the new one on or you can center it on dimension lines.
You shouldn’t have to delete any elevations or plans. there are tabs at the bottom for the difference floor plan versions and when you add your first elevation, it creates tabs for those as well.
In 3D you can right click on most objects to go into attributes to change settings, the up down/side to side feature does not work well in perspective.
As for the dimension lines, if you right click over the line you want to move there will be different options that pop up, you can move the whole line or just the dimension you selected.
I hope that helps a little 🙂 I don’t work for 2020, I just saw your thread. I only used Revit/CAD prior to 2020 and I had the very same thoughts you have.
2020 does have quite a lot of features, but it’s tricky learning to use them!
December 30, 2020 at 8:35 pm #312183
Wishlist – Walls . . . Walls . . . Walls.
Please make drawing walls easier. Is it just me or does anyone else loose work when the walls delete themselves? I spend more time trying to draw walls then I do the entire kitchen design. It is so frustrating!
Why do they have to all be connected? Why do we have to draw in clockwise direction. Need to make walls where we can draw them in any order and then select which side the placement zone will be. Have the ability to select whether we draw a wall as a chain or just a single wall. Move them without having to edit and go into the entire group to do so. Have the ability, when you click on a wall to have temporary dimensions pop up and walls can be moved by typing in the exact number on the temporary dimension.
December 31, 2020 at 11:26 am #312184
Jennifer, I saw your post and thought I’d offer some tips I learned over the years.
“Is it just me or does anyone else loose work when the walls delete themselves? I spend more time trying to draw walls then I do the entire kitchen design. It is so frustrating!”
I hate when I try to quickly move a cabinet or something and I grab a wall and the whole room moves instead. I found that if you keep your mouse clicked and press ESC, the walls return to it’s original position. If I didn’t do it correctly, the “ctrl z” or undo button is my friend. HOT TIP, limit your undo actions. If you undo too many times, the previous saved actions will refresh to the last auto save. That still catches me off guard.
One habit I have is to save a file “Client Name Walls” as a back up structure file, then ‘save as’ a new file and start designing. At least this way, if things get jacked, you can copy the interior elements (cabinets, ctops, etc.) into the backup structure file and ‘save as’ again.
“Why do they have to all be connected?
There are little buttons in the bottom right hand corner of the yellow status bar. If this bar is blank, right click on the yellow bar and check the Drawing Control. There is a button that looks like a chain link. Turn this OFF! It will allow you to select a single wall versus the entire group. Just make sure the wall you click, you select the red square of the selected wall or the group will still move as one.
“Why do we have to draw in clockwise direction. Need to make walls where we can draw them in any order and then select which side the placement zone will be.”
You can select which way a placement zone faces on a wall by right clicking/double clicking on the wall to open the properties window. In the “Type” tab, there’s a placement zone setting to choose inside, outside, or both.
“Have the ability to select whether we draw a wall as a chain or just a single wall. ”
If I only need one wall, you can hit enter twice or right click after entering your dimension.
“Have the ability, when you click on a wall to have temporary dimensions pop up and walls can be moved by typing in the exact number on the temporary dimension.”
I think I understand what you’re saying here. If you mean move in a direction (24″ to the left) I use the offset feature. If you don’t have this turned on, do so! You can find it in the “View” tab in the top ribbon. You can offset by clicking the square with the green left arrow to turn it on, type your offset dimension, click the wall/object so it pops up in the center of the placement wheel thing, and click the direction you want it to move. I use offset copy function A LOT for copying can lights 48″ apart.
If you mean changing the dimension of the wall, open the properties and type the dimension you need. Select the “Lengthen from beginning” or “Lengthen from end” depending on whether the wall is connected to another wall and the wall will grow in the direction you need it to.
I hope these tips help! Switching to 2020 was a big change for me as well. I’ve been using the program for 10 years, and I still get frustrated by things…
- This reply was modified 2 months ago by Kayla Herrick.
December 31, 2020 at 12:32 pm #312188
Thank you so much for the reply. Yes it is a big change I have only been using 2020 a month. I am used to Revit to do entire building designs.
I will try and use your tips today. Maybe I won’t get so frustrated.
On the Temporary dimensions I have attached a couple images from Revit that show what I mean. It is so simple to move any object any distance with these dimensions.
December 31, 2020 at 11:47 am #312186
Walls are frustrating Jennifer, I agree!
I NEVER draw walls in that “daisy-chain” way – I find it so frustrating. I usually choose the “L” or the “U” wall formation and just drop it. Then I add one or two walls to complete the general shape, then change the length of each wall to correct.
I have mentioned in the Wishlist before I would love a LOCK POSITION option on things – especially walls and custom shapes – as I often use custom shapes as walls, chimneys, posts, etc. You could then unclick the LOCK if you DID want to move it.
Happy New Year!
December 31, 2020 at 11:55 am #312187
Ohhh maaaan…. Why hadn’t I thought of that before? I’d LOVE to have a “lock position” available for walls or whatever else: Click an object, right click, drop down menu has “lock & unlock” selections.
Locking an object is now one of my all time favorite suggestions (along with floating elevation windows)
January 14, 2021 at 10:50 am #313382
I would love to see the Full Catalog descriptions and the complete list at one time.
Pipe dream, I know.
January 14, 2021 at 11:25 am #313396
To see a list of the catalogs you have installed as well as their descriptions, open the Catalog Manager and then either select ‘Rename’ or ‘Delete’. These options should show you the names of the catalog as well as the manufacturer whose catalogs they are. See the image below for example.
January 14, 2021 at 11:38 am #313409
I know that I can see these in either “Rename” or “Delete” functions.
However, in Ver. 11.12, the names are all truncated.
I’ve avoided moving to newer Versions until we are no longer “Beta-testers”
and 2020 truly provides us a stable product that many of us have been paying decades for.
Thank you for a nudge to move to a newer version.
January 14, 2021 at 11:54 am #313410
Gregg, V12.3 user here. I don’t know if the set up is different in V11.12; check if the following works for you. Open the 2020 Design program (not catalog manager). In the file tab, select preferences. Open the “Catalogs” tab the dialog window. In that tab, select “Show catalog description” and “Show by manufacturer”. This will organize your catalogs in a hierarchal list in the Local Browser tab. I hope this helps!
- This reply was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by Kayla Herrick.
January 21, 2021 at 6:31 pm #314051
My users have a lot of notes either set up as text notes using the Save/Open option or (as in your case) stored in a drawing.
It is extremely useful to have all your most used stuff including standard text notes shaped as you prefer and specific cabinet configurations and most used accessories (chopping boards etc) stored in a drawing that is easily accessible. From there you can just copy and paste into your current drawing.
My people usually save the drawing as AAAAccessories.kit or something similar so that it shows at the top of the file list. They also have such files on the desktop so they double click it to start 2020 Design up and it’s immediately available for copy and paste.
February 12, 2021 at 11:39 am #316527
1: LOCK WALLS! PLEASE! Probably four times a day I accidently grab a wall instead of an object and the entire room moves (especially if you have collision on) the windows and doors shift from their locations. I have to go back to my field measurements to make sure openings haven’t shifted. TOP PRIORITY!
1.1: Place windows and doors according to inside frame dimension or rough opening and dimension as such. I have to add 2.5 per side (default trim size) and remember to change the up/down. Even if the homeowner’s trim is a different size – sometimes you change the trim size, but it doesn’t show.
1.2: Window visual for sheetrock window returns. Not all windows show without trim even if you select it as an option.
2: Add a default to set countertops to 1.25″ (3CM) would be cool. 99% of the time, we’re using 3CM granite or quartz.
2.1: Add an option to change the thickness of countertop trims. No one probably uses it, but it’s my favorite thing. The countertop trim addon is helpful to show finished edges when getting a countertop estimate. I’m all about the renderings though. It looks more realistic. However, if I want to show a 2CM countertop the trim remains at 1-1/2”. (I don’t like the wizard, so I don’t bother to use it anymore.)
3: Ability to create 3D shapes in elevation or an option to rotate a 3D user shape drawn in plan view. If I want to show a piece of glass that notches around a bench, I either have to just run the shape straight through, or draw it in sketchup and import it. If I need to make a slight modification to it, I have to go back to sketchup to fix it, and import it again.
4: Ability to categorize user textures. EX – Tile – Tile Company – Tile Collection. This would be soooooo nice.
February 12, 2021 at 12:48 pm #316554
I still don’t understand why locking walls hasn’t ever been an option. I’d dare say we all have accidentally dragged the walls in most of our designs. To me personally it would be a no brainer. 🤷
Also rotating/flipping objects vertically and horizontally. So for instance, that 3/4″ vertical wall panel we want to use as a horizontal panel elsewhere can just be rotated instead of having to go into the attributes and change all the measurements. In some cases, a cabinet catalog won’t let you make those adjustments.
100% agree on the countertop thickness!
February 12, 2021 at 1:11 pm #316555
Locking walls – or anything – has always been a fave idea – but I think whatever default you set for countertop thickness would displease someone – unless we could customize that ourselves.
80% of all the countertops we do are 1.5″ so I like the preset the way it is. 😉
The next most common thickness for us would be 1″.
February 13, 2021 at 9:11 am #316594
If 80% of your sales is laminate, the current setting is great for you. 3cm (1-1/4”) is primarily what I design with. And I don’t know how adding a user preference setting would displease someone… it’s a user preference setting? “UGH I’m so pissed there’s and OPTION for someone ELSE!”, said no one ever 😒
February 14, 2021 at 6:05 pm #316596
Re default countertop thickness or indeed any variable that you can set via global attributes, you can just use the template function to make life easy.
Once you have a template configured and saved with a sensible name, double clicking on the template opens a new design file but with the attributes you previously selected already applied. You could name the template sensibly such as “Shaker-offwhite 30cm-whitemarble.tpl
I am writing a little guide on this as I speak.
February 14, 2021 at 6:56 pm #316597
Tried to edit the above but no luck. It seems that Global Attributes shows a very limited variable set and in my catalogs at least, benchtop thickness does not appear. Templates are still handy but mainly limited to textures and styles it seems.
February 14, 2021 at 7:05 pm #316598
It was so easy years ago when we all has access to at least a little of the Catalog Tools. 1 1/4” or 3cm, or 2cm for that matter should not be a difficult issue in a Professional Kitchen Design program. Just my opinion.
- This reply was modified 2 weeks, 3 days ago by Mark A Yost, Sr..
February 14, 2021 at 7:33 pm #316601
I have Catalog Tools and my customised catalog has an item you drop in which immediately allows you to set many attributes such as wall heights, cabinet heights and depths, textures, benchtop thicknesses etc. It’s about time we had a room wizard and a template option that included this.
February 14, 2021 at 7:49 pm #316603
I’m afraid not – it’s owned by the company I work for. It’s honestly a bit of a kludge anyway as Design doesn’t like being forced to work this way. My Designers like it though and put up with the odd issue. Pic attached and I’m just about to release a later version that has more options.
February 16, 2021 at 6:34 pm #316937
In Chief Architect, there’s the ability to follow whatever lines of an object(s) and show each measurement of the lines you follow. For example, you want the total & individual measurements of all the cabinets? Follow the outlines of all the cabinets and when you’re done, a measurement will appear next to each line. It’s an over simplification of it but that’s pretty much it. That would be extremely handy.
I realize the software is different than 2020’s but there are other options as well (such as quick color/texture changing cabs/tops for example) that make render adjustments instantaneous and convenient. Again, not sure how possible it is with 2020 but would be awesome if any of those are possible in the future.
February 16, 2021 at 6:47 pm #316938
2020 Design has a Multi-Dimension tool that is superb and easy to use and the Display Schemes can be used to give you very powerful control over what is displayed including dimensions.
Also, texture/colour changes are also very easy to accomplish as well as being able to very quickly and easily adjust lighting, exposure settings etc in renders. Now I’ll be the first to say that the lighting tends to need some more work to get it right but you can really get some very realistic renders. I’ve used Chief Architect and IMHO, the renders come nowhere near 2020 Design.
So, not sure what you are asking for as the things you have commented on are already there but perhaps in a slightly different format/operation?
February 17, 2021 at 9:49 am #316946
We have been BEGGING for the following changes to the dimension lines:
A. Everything on a wall below 36″ to show up on a “Base Cabinet” line. This would include doors & Tall cabinet.
B. Everything on a wall above 36″ to show up on a “Wall Cabinet” Line. This would include windows, doors, and tall cabinets.
Currently, This does not happen and we then have to waste A LOT of time using the multi-dimensional tool to adjust the dimension lines for our contractors, or we have to calculate it.
We are looking for time saving option of already having the appropriate numbers show up on our dimension lines. If you can make this happen, we all would greatly appreciate it.
Please see the attached example.
February 22, 2021 at 8:00 pm #317329
I have a display scheme that allows me to show floor plans where JUST the base and tall measurements are shown and one where just the wall and tall measurements are shown. I also have the ability to show elevations with just base and tall and then wall and tall cabinets and dimensions (complex designs sometimes means that the installer needs the split detail).
You could also change your display scheme to use different colours for your base, wall and tall measurements. In the attached example, the wall unit measurements are in Fuschia (red for most men!)
You can get close to what you want if not perfect.
- This reply was modified 1 week, 2 days ago by Mike Langensiepen.
February 22, 2021 at 8:08 pm #317340
Please find a way of including 2020 Design in the Volume Mixer on Windows 10 – this would allow selective muting. As you can see from the attached, Design does not show up whereas the other apps I have running do.
February 23, 2021 at 11:05 am #317364
I am really hoping they will find a way to include everything above 36″ (all wall, tall, windows, and doors) on one line, and everything below 36″ (All Base, tall, doors, low hung windows) on one line…. It would just be so much easier for everyone to read it, and save me a lot of time trying to adjust all the dimension lines that show up on my plan to be readable and less confusing.
March 1, 2021 at 1:11 pm #318083
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